carter. by mid october, he was 13 points behind and yet he won the election by nine points. >> what do you think will be that catalyst for swinging things in mitt romney's favor? >> a strong debate by mitt romney. there are three of them coming up. a misstep by the president. some sort of international incident to thinks that might come out about benghazi, et cetera. i mean, six weeks is a very long time. we have 39 days to go. >> it's fascinating how much pressure seems to be on mitt romney including put by himself and his own camp on these debates. we haven't necessarily seen him perform well under pressure, when you go back to the press conference in the wake of the attacks you referenced. >> he had remember 20 debates during the primary season and the president of course as the incumbent had none. so debating is a more recently honed skill for mitt romney and he did do well in some of those debates. a lot of the later debates in particular. so it's fresh in his mind. it's a good nor matt